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| TheACE | Oct 29 2014, 03:35 AM Post #31 |
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What statements? Who said anything about Gotenks being tougher than an Ascended Saiyan? Besides if the fears match, what difference can a statement make. Feats still speaker louder than statements, especially in visual media correct?
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| Event Horizon | Oct 29 2014, 03:49 AM Post #32 |
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Goten and Trunks just previously witnessed Vegeta getting absolutely manhandled by Boo, yet Gotenks is quite confident in taking Boo down. Yamcha and Kuririn who most likely felt the battle (Vegeta vs Fat Boo) were also pretty confident stating that he "just maybe might be able to take care of Boo". The difference in power between the SSJ2's and Fat Boo is really vast. You could easily squeeze Gotenks in above the SSJ2's, but still be weak enough to be destroyed by Boo. There's literally no indication of Boo's power against Gotenks though. Who says Fat Boo isn't at a higher power level against Gotenks than against Vegeta? Who says he powered down after his fight with Vegeta? |
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| + Pyrus | Oct 29 2014, 03:50 AM Post #33 |
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I guess we should take all seemingly uncontradicted filler as fact, right? If you want to use the anime filler as evidence, go ahead. It won't help you in debates here. Filler is filler and the anime is the anime. Unless you had some evidence that Toriyama played a role in developing or supervising that specific filler (like Yamcha's baseball gig), it isn't going to fly. Edited by Pyrus, Oct 29 2014, 03:53 AM.
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| TheACE | Oct 29 2014, 03:54 AM Post #34 |
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Gotenks has Super Powers, and he's 8. I think a little overconfidence MAY just be in character. This is this kid's first major conflict, he has no track record and the only fight he's won is against himself. Gotenks is clearly and apparently not even a master of his own environment, never the less the martial arts of knowing who has an edge on who. And Krillin and Yamcha get excited over damn near everything. The Spirit Bombs against Frieza and Vegeta, Super Saiyan Sick Goku, the Warp Kamehameha, they do that. @ Pyrus. Uh, sure. It's a 30 year old TV show/comic book, I don't think using some uncontradicted filler makes Dragon Ball any less sacred and holy. Besides, isn't he (Toriyama-Sensei) a consultant on pretty much anything Dragon Ball related? Honestly, what difference does it make? Edited by TheACE, Oct 29 2014, 04:03 AM.
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| Event Horizon | Oct 29 2014, 04:16 AM Post #35 |
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I might've bought it had Trunks and Goten never been there. The fact is, Trunks was completely shocked at the fact that Boo could defeat Vegeta. He literally thought Vegeta was the strongest. After witnessing that, it's completely illogical and makes no sense why Gotenks would attempt to fight Boo if he was weaker than Vegeta. I believe Toriyama had absolutely nothing to do with fillers, it was 100% Toei, and literally only to drag out and make the episodes longer. Going to be interesting to see if Gotenks' filler fight against Fat Boo will be in DBZ Kai or not. |
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| + Pyrus | Oct 29 2014, 04:19 AM Post #36 |
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Not exactly. You can check out all of his contributions here. I'll just post a few cliff notes from various guidebooks on the matter. [1] [2] Essentially, he let Toei do as they pleased unless it was so far off base that he absolutely had to step in. [1] http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/extreme-battle-collection-round-02-toriyama-qa/ [2] http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/daizenshuu-3-akira-toriyama-super-interview/ Edited by Pyrus, Oct 29 2014, 04:20 AM.
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| TheACE | Oct 29 2014, 04:21 AM Post #37 |
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Trunks kinda idolizes his father, unlike his future counter part. If anything all that does is make him a lot more like a real 8 year old boy. You think you're heroes are the best. It's sweet, but it's hardly a good judge of anything. Besides, Vegeta thinks he can take anyone too and rarely if ever does. That and Trunks, as Gotenks, has bought into Goku's fusion hype, and wants to save the world as its hero. There's no reason he wouldn't just think "Yeah I'm the coolest, I have to be able to kick that thing's a***." That's just how kids are! |
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| + Pyrus | Oct 29 2014, 04:30 AM Post #38 |
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Ace makes some good points, admittedly. |
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| TheACE | Oct 29 2014, 04:40 AM Post #39 |
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I try to. Either way I think Ascended Saiyan Goku vs Gotenks would still be a really awesome fight to watch. But I just see Goku taking it more times than not, if not on a power advantage, then skill, versatility and experience. |
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